at least with no deal we will finally get a government that is forked to live in its means. that is what the republican party has to stand for. why bother? why have a reason party if they don't stand for these things. >>neil: you seem upset, michelle. charles, i do understand elections have consequences and you can make an argument the president ran on the notion i have to hike taxes and i want to hike taxes on the upper income. and he won. you can make an argument that was going to happen. but it is giving if on all the areas, giving in on a deal that would be potentially very short when it comes to spending cuts seems to add insult to financial injury? >>guest: that is her point. listen, the republicans should remember they were elected and they do have a seat at the table. the tip-off was last night while everyone watched the redskins game, the night of the long screwdrivers when speaker boehner got rid of all the tea party members in charge of the committees, he dump them all in the middle of the night and no one paid attention. that was ding ding ding. it should frighte